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[yianis]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/12/1081621893216.html
Alos Karagkiozis: Russ Baker

-Grafi yia tis Toualettes ke ta kologarta
-Provlimata me to Revma

Mas koroithevoun oti I kinezi (2008) tha ine ewtimi prin apo emas.

Meta apo to diavasma aftou tou article, an imoun xenos tha elega, as pame kapou alou ektos apo tin Ellatha afto to kalokeri yia thiakopes.

Akoma anaferi kapion Michalis Papayiannakis, a Synaspismos:

"We're all leaving a month before the games and returning a month after," says Michalis Papayiannakis, a Synaspismos (radical left) member of the European Parliament.

Mas ksevtilizoun me sacrcasm

[ael]

to kwloxarto einai megalo provlima...ki egw to pisteuw auto an einai dynaton!!!pws na diorganwseis Olympiakous Agwnes otan petas ta kwloxarta sto kalathaki... se ligo tha tous xalaei kai ama klanoume(sorry...)
pera apo tin plaka,o malakas den evale mail gia apantisi(ektos ki an den to eida egw...)...an to vrei kaneis as to dimosieusei na tou gavgisoume 2-3 fwnienta...

[DonAlex]

Egw katafera na diavasw mexri to simeio pou leei gia to Venizelos kai ta
5 EKATOSTA XIONI pou kataferan kai to parelysan prin ligous mines

Eee...meta ap'afto ekrina fronimo na steilw sto diaolo ton kyrio PaparoBaker
kai na kleisw to sxetiko arthro.

[Ypsilon]

Είναι τραγικό να σκεφτεί κανείς ότι ελλείψει σοβαρών επιχειρημάτων, υπάρχουν εφημερίδες που ξαφνικά ανακαλύπτουν πρόβλημα στο χαρτί τουαλέτας...
Όπως επίσης παρουσιάζεται ως μεγάλο πρόβλημα το γεγονός ότι η Αθήνα ανακαινίζεται και υπάρχουν παντού εργοτάξια...
Αυτοί οι ίδιοι άνθρωποι όμως, θα έγραφαν πάλι τα χειρότερα αν δεν γίνονταν έργα στην Αθήνα, και θα έλεγαν ότι αφήσαμε ανεκμετάλευτη την ευκαιρία να εξωραϊσουμε την πόλη μας...
Δηλαδή είτε έτσι, είτε αλλιώς, το ξεφώνημα δεν το γλιτώνουμε...
Βεβαίως, τι να περιμένει κανείς από δημοσιογράφο που μιλάει για δρόμους οι οποίοι επιδιορθώνονται για πρώτη φορά μέσα σε 150 χρόνια, τη στιγμή που πριν 150 χρόνια η Αθήνα δεν διέθετε καν (ασφαλτοστρωμένους) δρόμους... Έχω αηδιάσει!

[yianis]

To email ine (then ime 100% sigouros) russ@russbaker.com ke grafi yia poles efimerithes (Free-lance writer ) www.russbaker.com/aboutruss.htm

[nikosv]

Να και η κυρία Lesley Stahl του CBSΝews που μας το χώνει και αυτή !!! Έχω αηδιάσει παιδιά ...

(CBS) Athens is a skyline of cranes. It's a jumble of detours. Things that should be finished by now aren't, such as the new tram system, and the marathon route -- work on that stopped for more than a month when the contractor went broke. And the roof over the swimming stadium? Greece recently gave up, and just decided not to build it. The biggest construction challenge is the main Olympic stadium, where a giant glass and steel roof is supposed to go up. It's envisioned as the architectural signature of the entire Athens Olympics. The organizers say, "Don't worry, it'll get done." But it is months behind schedule. Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports.

Η κυρία του CBSΝews μιλάει για καθυστερήσεις μηνών!!!... τι πράγματα είναι αυτά βρε παιδιά...εγώ νομίζω ότι έτσι όπως πάνε τα πράγματα με αυτούς τους δημοσιογράφους και τούς καλύτερους αγώνες να κάνουμε αυτοί θα βρούνε τρόπο για να μας θάψουνε...

Περισσότερα εδώ ποιο κάτω...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/09/60minutes/main611169.shtml

[Ypsilon]

Αν μη τι άλλο, δεν είναι ένα απαράδεκτο άρθρο σαν τα δεκάδες που έχουμε δει ως τώρα. Έχει βέβαια κάποιες υπερβολές, λέει πράγματα κάπως ενοχλητικά για εμάς, αλλά δεν είναι ψέμμα ότι το ΟΑΚΑ ή ο Μαραθώνιος θα έπρεπε να είναι στη φάση που βρίσκονται σήμερα, μήνες πριν...
Το σημαντικότερο είναι ότι η δημοσιογράφος δεν γεννάει πράγματα από το μυαλό της, αποφεύγει δικές της κρίσεις και δίνει το λόγο σε δύο Έλληνες για να ακουστεί (επιτέλους) και η δική μας εκδοχή για τις καθυστερήσεις...

Τα τρία πρώτα χρόνια που χάθηκαν με Στρατήγη και Μπακούρη ήταν δυστυχώς, καθοριστικά... Και όπως συμβαίνει συνήθως σε αυτήν τη χώρα, ποτέ, κανείς δεν ζήτησε ευθύνες από τους δυο αυτούς κυρίους. Κυρίως για τον δεύτερο που ήταν στην προεδρία του 2004 σχεδόν όλη την πρώτη τριετία, δεν έκανε απολύτως τίποτα, και όταν απολύθηκε πήρε και 300 εκατομμύρια αποζημίωση από τα δικά μας λεφτά!!!

[nikosv]

Έχεις δίκιο Υ, αλλά έχω βαρεθεί να ακούω και να διαβάζω μόνο αρνητικά άρθρα από τις τηλεοράσεις και τις εφημερίδες όλου τού κόσμου.

Και να μην σου πω τη ακούω καθημερινώς στο γραφείο και στη πόλη που μένω εδώ στην Ελβετία.

Νομίζω ότι υπάρχουν και αρκετά θετικά , αλλά οι δημοσιογράφοι ενδιαφέρονται μόνον για τα αρνητικά.... και δυστυχώς ο πολύς ο κόσμος γνωρίζει μόνον αυτά που βλέπει και διαβάζει στις εφημερίδες και τηλεοράσεις...

[KEFALONITIS]

H ka Sathl ekane to reportaz gia logariasmo ths ekpomphs 60 minutes pou xairei eureias thlwe8eashs sth USA.
Shmera sthn douleia toulaxiston 20 atoma ekanan nuxh se auto to reportaz.

An kai to periexomeno einai anakuklwsh prohgoumenwn dhmoieumatwn kai to ufos einai bio sobarofanes egw ta (xsana)phre sto kranio..

Eftasa sto shmeio na pw ...aman na perasoun autou oi O.A ..me to kalo fusika!

meta prepei orismenoi na LOGODOTHSOUN!!

Ews omws na feroume se peras to megal epigxeirhma oloi mazi mia gro8ia!!! Opws dhladh oi arxaioi hmwn pou mporsta ston "Persiko" kinduno enwsan tis mexri proteinws antiparasommenes dunameis tous...

Para8etw thn grapth ekdosh tou reportaz autousio:G


Greece Behind In Summer Games
April 11, 2004


Athens is a skyline of cranes. It's a jumble of detours. Things that should be finished by now aren't, such as the new tram system, and the marathon route -- work on that stopped for more than a month when the contractor went broke.

And the roof over the swimming stadium? Greece recently gave up, and just decided not to build it.

The biggest construction challenge is the main Olympic stadium, where a giant glass and steel roof is supposed to go up.
It's envisioned as the architectural signature of the entire Athens Olympics. The organizers say, "Don't worry, it'll get done." But it is months behind schedule. Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports.
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Ask Athens Mayor Dora Bakoyanni if her city is going to be ready by August, and she starts talking about Greek folk dancing.

“In Greece, we are like ‘Sirtaki' dance. We start very slowly, and then we speed up. And then at the end, you cannot even follow how quickly it goes. So I believe that's exactly what happened with us,” says Bakoyanni. “We might be afraid until the last minute, but I believe that we will be ready in time.”

But the Greeks don't have nearly the resources of other countries that have hosted the Olympics. They're like the proverbial underdog.

“We’re not the United States. We're not a nation of 250 million with all the logistics, infrastructure, and everything else you have,” says Alex Rondos, who has helped shape Greece’s plans for the Olympics – most recently as a top official in the foreign ministry.

“Greece is a country of 10 million people. Probably the smallest, the least rich country that has ever run the Olympics,” says Rondos.

Of course, Greece has some things not even the biggest country can match.
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In August 2004, the Olympic Games come home to the country of their birth.

Who else could stage the shot put at ancient Olympia, or run the marathon along its original route? But a grand history doesn't get stadiums built.

Bakoyanni admits that when Greece won the Olympics in 1997, they did nothing to get ready – for years. “That’s unfortunately true,” says Bakoyanni.

“Because we're a charming people who feel that they need to sit and discuss many things,” says Rondos. “And I don't mean to be frivolous about it. We don't run ourselves like a bunch of drill sergeants.”

Or, as someone else put it, bureaucracy was invented in Greece. If they'd tried to build the Parthenon in modern Athens, it might never have gotten done.

By the year 2000, things were so far behind schedule, the International Olympic Committee threatened to move the games to another country. The specter of national humiliation was enough, finally, to get preparations going in earnest.

“So, granted, there have been delays. And there's been inefficiency. Call it what you will,” says Rondos. “The fact is that, as we approach the Olympics, not unlike the condemned man approaching the guillotine, it concentrates the mind wonderfully. And we are there right now.”

Greece has done a lot. Stadiums for a number of sports are ready to go -- even hosting "test" competitions.

And Athens itself is being remade: a brand new airport, a refurbished subway system, and new highways. There’s also a major effort to beautify building facades and public squares.

“By the time the Olympics occur, this nation will have spent over $5 billion,” says Rondos.

“A lot of things changed radically in the last years. We are not the poorest anymore. We are a stable democracy. And we are an extremely good place for people to invest, so having showed that we are able to do good Olympics, it will be the turning point for Greece,” says Bakoyanni.
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But success won't depend just on finishing the construction. Even more important, and far more serious, is the issue of security -- making the games safe.

“When we took on the Olympics, 9/11 hadn't occurred,” says Rondos. “Since 9/11, we have all collectively, internationally, discovered the nature of a new threat.”

That threat is al Qaeda, and its network of offshoots around the world – things that Bruce Hoffman studies at the Rand Corporation.

“Al Qaeda, especially in the post-9/11 world, is intent, I think, in rejuvenating or regenerating itself,” says Hoffman. “And it has, I think, this abiding faith in the power of the spectacular that would be their attention on the Olympics.”

“Also, isn't it true that the Olympics really is kind of 'the Western world,' 'the civilized world,' everything they hate?” asks Stahl.

“Oh, absolutely. Especially the Olympics being in Athens. Being in Greece. The cradle of Western civilization. The embodiment of Western values,” says Hoffman. “That makes it an enormously attractive symbolic target. More so, perhaps, than ever.”

No one can accuse the Greeks of taking security lightly. They'll be spending a record $1 billion dollars on the effort -- three times what the Australians spent at the last summer games. 50,000 security officers and military personnel will be on guard.

And they may need every one of them. Greece literally sits in the middle of much of the world's trouble: the Balkans on one side, Turkey and the Middle East on another, and hundreds of miles of porous land and sea borders.

“When you have that length of border, and especially that much of sea coast, it presents special security problems, of terrorists, as it were, coming in beneath the radar,” says Hoffman. “There has been a number of incidents over the past three decades that have involved Middle Eastern terrorists that have seen Greece as a crossroads to carry out terrorist attacks.”

When you look at a map, it appears impossible to keep everybody out since there are so many avenues of entry. “The security plan, is, has taken all of that into account,” says Rondos. “There will be a capacity from our allies that will exist to interdict anything that looks as though it may be coming in our direction that we think is suspicious.”

When referring to allies, Rondos says he means the United States. In fact, Greek and U.S. forces recently concluded joint military exercises. And Greece needs all the security help it can get. Only a few years ago, a U.S. government report singled it out for being lax in fighting terror, and just last summer, U.S. officials were horrified at the screw-ups during a Greek security exercise.

“One of the incidents or lapses that was most widely reported involved a woman pretending to be pregnant who actually was carrying a bomb and nevertheless was able to pass through security,” says Hoffman.

“Now, that's viewed as the most elemental, I mean, the most basic kind of threat, and I think that generated concern that perhaps security .. well, certainly that security had to be strengthened, and that really the expertise of a wide variety of countries who have had long experience in countering terrorism - not only that, considerable success - could be usefully enlisted.”
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Now, Greece has even asked NATO to help with Olympic security. The request was made one day after last month’s train bombings in Madrid.

“Honestly, we don't feel alone,” says Bakoyanni. “We feel that NATO, the Americans, the Israelis, everybody around the world is collaborating for the security of the Greek Olympic games.”

It's not just a matter of protecting the games, of course, but the entire city, including a port where 11 huge cruise ships will be used as floating hotels.

“We saw that in the Atlanta Olympics, where the venue itself was very well-protected. But the freedom park, next door, was where, precisely for that reason, the terrorist sought to attack, and to detonate his bomb.”

U.S. athletes have even begun expressing their fear that they'll be in the bulls-eye in Athens.

“With all due respect to the athletes, they might want to spare a thought for everyone else who lives in this city and all those who are going to come here to watch them,” says Rondos. “Everyone’s in it with them.”

One adversary Greece feels it won't have to face is a homegrown terror group called 17 November, which waged a three-decade campaign of assassination, killing U.S. and British diplomats and Greek politicians -- including Bakoyanni's husband, who was shot and killed in Athens in 1989.

17 November operated with impunity until 2002, when its leaders were finally caught after an explosion led police to their hideout.

“We were lucky. Probably one of the 12 gods of Greece decided to do something about it, because the bomb exploded in the hands of a terrorist,” says Bakoyanni. “We don't have any worry about domestic terrorism anymore. And I’m really glad, because if you asked me two years ago, I would not be able to tell you the same answer.”

But Greece is still vulnerable to foreign terrorists. Stahl told Rondos that Sports Illustrated reported that if Sept. 11 had happened when the IOC went to select Athens, they couldn’t have picked a worse city in terms of terrorism.
“I take the completely opposite view. I'm gonna be at these games, and I'm gonna be there deliberately because it is post 9/11,” says Rondos. “I'm gonna get in the face of the terrorist who thinks I should go and hide rather than have the Olympics in their birthplace. If we go the logic of saying ‘This is not the ideal place,’ well then, what is? What is?”

Greece still has to deliver a safe Olympics. And, they also need to deliver that blasted stadium roof.

“It’s the moment where Greece will be branded in one way or another,” says Rondos. “This is the challenge we face. If it goes well, everyone…you, everyone else will say ‘By golly, they pulled it off. And you know what? I'm gonna go back there again.’ The alternative is, ‘The Greeks didn't get it right.’ And it will mark us. It will be a stigma for a long time afterwards. And we all know that. That's the challenge we face.”


© MMIV, CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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[jortheo]

Εχουν καταντησει αηδια. Η καλυτερη απαντηση ειναι τα εργα και τα λεφτα που εχουν δαπανηθει ή θα δαπανηθουν για την ασφαλεια.

[Byzantio21]

Paidia, edw olo akouma ths megaliteres malakies gia tous Agwnes. Exw diavasi mono ena arthro pou elege kala logia gia tous Agwnes ths A8hnas. Kai simera diavasa auta pou egrafe o Baker? Kala, den exoune tipot'allo na lene gia ta erga kai exoun katantisi na lene malakies gia ths toualetes kai gia to revma?

Mhn akoute tous Afstralous. Zilevoun, giati den theloun tous Agwnes ths A8hnas na einai kalieteres apo autes tou Sydney (pou na sas po htane opos lene oi Australoi... BORING).

[assotos yios]

Απλα να θυμισω δυο πραγματακια:
1.Το θαψιμο των επομενων Ολυμπιακων Αγωνων ηταν ,ανεκαθεν, ολυμπιακο σπορ...Το εχω διαβασει απο καποιον δημοσιογραφο της Guardian η της Independent...δεν ειμαι σιγουρος.Ειναι αναμενομενο αφου ειναι ευκολο και πουλαει...
2.Πως γραφει ενας ξενος δημοσιογραφος το αρθρο του?Διαβαζει της ανταποκρισεις των ειδ. πρακτορειων απο την Ελλαδα (συνηθως Ελληνων ανταποκριτων...),ζηταει μεταφρασεις αρθρων Ελληνικων εφημεριδων στο Δικτυο,ριχνει μια ματια στη σελιδα του "Αθηνα 2004",αν ειναι λιγο πιο σοβαρος παιρνει και ενα τηλεφωνο στην Ελλαδα σε καποιο γνωστο του δημοσιογραφο,διπλωματικο,μπατζανακη...Αρα ποιοι ειναι οι πρωτοι υπευθυνοι της δυσφημησης των προσπαθειων της χωρας?
3.Δυστυχως στο εξωτερικο κυκλοφορουν πολλα στερεοτυπα για τους Νεοελληνες (οπως και για αλλους λαους),τα οποια κανουν ευκολη την δημιουργια μιας καρικατουρας της Ελλαδας...Μη κοροιδευομαστε ,οι εικονες που βλεπουν οι ξενοι ειναι ενα μειγμα ψευτοφολκλορ,βαλκανια τριτοκοσμικο η στη "καλλυτερη" περιπτωση λιγο κρασι, λιγο θαλασσα και το αγορι μου...Γιατι νομιζεται οτι εκανε τετοια επιτυχια το"Greek fat wedding"?

Υ.Γ.Για να μην εχουμε παρεξηγησεις...Η αποψη μου δεν ειναι να καθησουμε να τρωμε τις καρπαζιες...

[kostas]

Entajei paidia, me ejairesh mia-duo anakribeies, (px ta 5 cm xioni...) ta arthra auta einai pio eupempta apo to classiko pleon tou Scotty. Bebaia, na poume tou strabou to dijio, o anthrwpos pou egrapse 5 cm xioni, mporei apla na diabase mia ellhnikh efhmerida ths periodou (NOMIZW h kathimerini, alla den eimai 100 % sigouros...) pou bghke me to prwtoselido:
Me thn prwth nifada to kratos pareluse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kai ennoouse bebaia th xeoriterh xionothuela ths katagegrammenhs istorias...
Opote......

[Zorbas]

[quote="PatraTasos"] DonAlex

[b. Gia na katalavis tin skepsi mou sou leo to eksis. An dosis px stin agglia to poso pou ksodepses san ellada gia tous agones ti tha ekane? Mipos ta idia? Misoteliomena ke ipertimologimena erga?

Se pliroforo oti tha ta ixe teliosi me ta idia ke ligotera lefta(xoris ipertimologisis enoo), 1 xrono prin ola ta erga (min sou po ke me ta lefta pou plirosame ta diplasia erga), ke tha doulevan ola opos eprepe. Giati den to kaname emis afto? Giati xasame tin efkeria na paroume kati apo tin nootropia tou evropeou adelfou mas (efsinidisia, ipefthinotia klp) ke kataliksame pali na ta kanoume me to diko mas elliniko tropo?


Filoi,

Sas ektimaw olous yiati einai profanes apo ta post oti oloi thelete mia kalyteri Ellada, kai ligo sevasmo apo tous kathe logis xenous-krites. Kai meis edw to idio theloume yia thn Ellada, kai prospathoume...Alla kalo tha htane na xerete oti OLES oi hwres tou kosmou exoun ta provlimata tous kai o kathenas antimetwpisi tis katastasei opws mporei kalytera. Entaxei yparxoun katysterisieis kai oi kinezoi tha ftiaxoun 18 mhnes noris to stadio. Alla, tha mproeis ws to 2008 na anapneuseis aera sto Pekino? Tha ftiaxei h zwi tou mesou kinezou? H mhpws an eixame kai meis ena Dis ergates den tha eixame teloiwsei propersei. Oso yia thn Agglia, zw kai ergazome ethw apo to 1989 kai na sou pw th tha eixane kanei:

1. oi aggloi analavane to paggosmio protahlhma sthvou (pou kaname emeis to 1997?) yia to 2005 sto Londino. Epeidh omows then mporesane na organwsoune kanouryio stadio zhthsane metaphora sto Sheffield, pou tous arnhthike kai xasane tous agwnes. Shmiotewn oti oute psythiros apo tis efhmerides tote, alla mpolika yia mas.

2. Oi aggloi prospathoune na xtisoune to kainouryio Wembley apo to 2000 kai zhthma einai an tha einai etoimo to 2005.

3. Oi aggloi xthsane to Millenium Dome sto para pente yia thn prwtoxronia tou 1999/2000 me terastio kostos kai to yemisane me malakies yia ephisis terastio kostos. To Dome einai akoma adeio kai plhronoune ta kerata tous yia na to synthroun - adeio!

4. Oi aggloi xthsane mia kainouryia grammh metro sto anatoliko Londino to 2000 kai akoma then leitouryei swsta.

5. Oi aggloi xthsane kainouryia pezoyefyra ston Tamesh kai htane keisth yia dyo xronia yiati then yplogisane swsta teis talantwseis.

6. Oi aggloi file mou auth thn sthgmi den mporoun na organousoun orgio se bourdelo pou leme edw, yiauto loipon mhn mou tous paratheteis san kanena paradigma pros mhmisi.

7. Kalou kakou se 5 mhnes h "mikri" Ellada tha exei organwsei olympiakous, yiauto trexoun oloi twra me thn krhtikh tous mbas kai prolavoune, yiati meta dyskola to vlepw.

8. To Londino exei valei ypopsifiothta yia to 2012. Mporei kai na kerdisoune, poios xerei?

Kala kanete kai stanaxorieste me ta provlhmata ths Elladas, all ligo metro xreiazetai pou kai pou.

[kostas]

Pes ta Zormpa agori mou, giati kalh h autokritikh, alla emeis den exoume metro! H pou tha eimaste oi kaluteroi tou kosmou kai de mas pianei kaneis kai koita ton Parthenwna kai to kalami kabalhmeno, h pou tha eimaste tritokosmikoi kai anikanoi kai anorganwtoi kai tempelhdes kai den xerw ki egw ti! H alhthia einai pws eimaste enas fisiologikotatos, plin omws entelws sxizifrenhs laos! Metro paidia!

[Ypsilon]

[wise]

[kostas]

Y, me to "metro paidia" ennoousa akribws to antitheto apo auto pou (nomizw) oti katalabes.... To metro phgaine sto sxolio tou filou pou elege oti oi aggloi p.x. me ta idia lefta tha ta eixan teleiwsei ola nwritera kai kalutera!!!!! Kai eipa: "metro paidia" den einai etsi, opws polu swsta egrapse o Zorbas me ta xekathara epixeirhmata tou (kai na prosthesw se auta, th diorganwsh paneurwpaikou stibou sth germania, pou oi mhxanes ths astunomias erixnan katw tous marathwnodromous, kai oi kameres ths thleorashs den metakinontousan egkairws se zoom ths ekkinhshs twn 100 metrwn me apotelesma athliths na trakarei panw sthn kamera, klp klp!!!!!) Me liga logia, ennoousa oti ta problhmata se mia tetoia diorganwsh den einai mono Ellhniko thema, kathe allo malista!!!!

[Ypsilon]

ΟΚ, δεκτή η επισήμανση, και να ζητήσω συγγνώμη για την παρανόηση (οι παρενέργειες της γαρδούμπας που λέγαμε) .
Απλά εγώ το πήγα στην τάση που επικρατεί να μην πρέπει (!!!!) να ασχολούμαστε με την αρνητική δημοσιότητα, πράγμα που με βρίσκει αντίθετο. Τουλάχιστον στο μέτρο που αυτή ξεφεύγει από το αντικείμενο της κριτικής της και παρουσιάζει διαρκώς τη μια όψη του νομίσματος.
Καλώς ή κακώς, και πέρα από τα στερεότυπα που ανέλυσε επιτυχώς ο assotos λίγο πιο πάνω, η εντύπωση που μένει είναι πως οι Έλληνες κάθε άλλο παρά έχουν πάρει στα σοβαρά τους Ολυμπιακούς, κι αυτό είναι "αιτία πολέμου". Ακριβώς επειδή η ταμπέλα του "χύμα" που μας έχουν κολλήσει, αγνοεί τις άλλες ποιότητες που έχουμε ως λαός (ευελιξία, επινοητικότητα, φιλότιμο και -όταν θέλουμε- εργατικότητα που θα ζήλευαν και οι Ιάπωνες). Όσο λοιπόν δεν αναγνωρίζονται όλα αυτά, εγώ θα αντιδρώ ανεξαρτήτως Ολυμπιακών.
Υποτίθεται ότι πάμε να αλλάξουμε τη θέση μας στον κόσμο με αυτούς τους αγώνες, όχι να επιβεβαιώσουμε τα μειονεκτήματά μας, όσο κι αν πολλά απ' αυτά είναι αληθινά. Απλά δεν αφορούν τους ξένους στον υστερικό βαθμό που επιχειρείται τελευταία...

[DonAlex]

Alli mia karikatoura apo tous xlemponiarides (The Times-London)
Ta nevra mou re pous*i mou ???

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,119286,00.jpg

[Admin]

Οι Times του Λονδίνου είχαν σήμερα ένα πολύ μεγάλο αρθρο για την ασφάλεια των Αγώνων. Το "πνεύμα" του κειμένου είναι ευκόλως αντιληπτό από τον τίτλο του: Olympic security hit by Athens building delays.

Δυστυχώς πρέπει να έχεις συνδρομή στο timesonline.co.uk για να το διαβάσεις. Αν κάποιος εδώ μέσα είναι συνδρομητής (ή μένει στην Αγγλία και πήρε τη σημερινή έντυπη έκδοση), ας μας κάνει μία περίληψη του τι έλεγε το άρθρο. Έτσι... από περιέργεια!

[DonAlex]

Exeis dikio Admin, kai malista to prwto prama pou eida sto metro simera itan
i fwtografia tou OAKA me ta toxa, kai eipa...vre sy...afto mou einai gnwston...
Etsi mpika sto site, alla de mou zitise kamia syndromi...

afto einai loipon...diavaste kai xareite:
Kala tous lew gw flegmatikous kai xlemponiarides...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12789-1072664,00.html

[Ypsilon]

Ρε τους κοκκινομούρηδες!!! Τι θέλουν, κανα συμβολαιάκι κι αυτοί, και μας τα χώνουν δια της πλαγίας οδού;
Και να φανταστεί κανείς ότι όλα αυτά περί ασφάλειας τα γράφει η ανταποκρίτρια της εφημερίδας, μια γυναίκα δηλαδή που ζει στην Αθήνα και οφείλει να ξέρει από πρώτο χέρι τι παίζεται.
Πάντως το Μέγκα που αναφέρθηκε στο άρθρο, είπε ότι το ρεζουμέ ήταν το εξής: "Δεν προλαβαίνουν οι Έλληνες με την ασφάλεια, οπότε ας ασχοληθούν με το τελείωμα των έργων, και ας αναθέσουν σε περισσότερους ξένους την εποπτεία της ασφάλειας"!!
Το πιάσαμε το υπονοούμενο μαντάμ!! Έχουνε ξεφτιλιστεί τα πάντα πια...

[Ypsilon]

Έγραψε κι άλλη ανταπόκριση η μαντάμ. Κι αυτή με σημερινή ημερομηνία.
Ο τίτλος "Ελληνική τραγωδία ή φάρσα; Η Αθήνα είναι μια πόλη ερειπίων, μόνο που μερικά απ' αυτά είναι καινούρια (σύγχρονα)"...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12789-1072675,00.html

Και μάλιστα βασίζει ένα από τα επιχειρήματά της στη γνώμη δυο Αλβανών, που τρώγανε σάντουιτς (λέει) κάτω από ένα δέντρο!!! Ο ένας της είπε ότι τα έργα θα τελειώσουν το 2006, κι ο άλλος ότι είναι 50/50 το αν θα τελειώσουν!!! Η απόλυτη δημοσιογραφική αλητεία!!
Θέλω το εμαιλ της!!

[Aquis Granum]

Για όσους λαμβάνουν Eurosport, αύριο στις 20:30, έχει μια εκπομπή γύρω από τους Ολυμπιακούς της Αθήνας, με τίτλο: Olympic Magazine!

Όσοι έχουν τον χρόνο και την δυνατότητα να το δουν, ας μας ενημερώσουν μετά τι παρουσίασαν!

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